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Wall stre "wall street journal" and charles payne from the fox business network. charles, i'll start with you. the august numbers lower than expected, revised numbers pretty markedly. what does that tell you? >> gigantic revision. we are stuck in a real serious rut. you have to be worried about the pegues rate, how many people getting off the sofa hitting the bricks and out of this job market. apologists say this is attriti . this is a young people phenomena. young people are not participating in this economy and not trying to find a job. that bodes ill for years to come not just right now. >>...

Indiana to ohio? is that mainly where this message is driven home? >> i should say i don't know exactly. i don't know the campaign strategy to that level of detail. but i would imagine so. the particular kind of economic crisis they're talking about there, the closing of steel factories, the closing of manufacturing, the sort of taking over or buying out and redistributing of companies that used to exist and used to provide as of the speaker in that ad said good middle class jobs, people may not have had that much in terms of high skills, that's largely a midwest story. that's primarily what w...

Policy over the past 25 years, tax policy has consequences. and we set up a tax policy that really benefits people that create these exotic financial instruments that don't add jobs across middle america but turns millionaires into billionaires and, you know, we need to restructure our tax code in a way that is going to encourage the rebuilding of our manufacturing base and middle america. >> all right. on that -- >> you weren't even listening. >> no, actually. >> let's go to ruth marcus. >> no, i'm changing it given what you're saying and going to the wall stre"wall street jour." >> she's bee...

Hopefully other people will have a little bit more opportunity. >> i understand that obamacare, romneycare, that's ripe and it's going to be both for the general if romney gets there and now. you went out in the wall stre"tt journal" editorial comparing both and that's fair. i wonder when romney brought up the 2007 lawn care group, do you think he should are done that? >> no, i don't. at least the way he explained it, he did what you can do. look, i mow my own lawn. so i mean, it's a little different. you know, and my kids, you know, i've got my own lawn service. i have four boys. so that -- i...

Nbc news wall stre"wall street poll. get this. just 25% of people think republicans in congress will bring the right kind of change to the country. that's compared to 42% who said that when democrats took control of the house in 2007. joining us now, msnbc contributor and democratic strategist, karen finney, and republican strategist, david winston. great to see both of you. david, wow. kind of a big warning sign, the republicans, they just got in power. speaker boehner just got his big gavel and already the american people say it's not going to be the right kind of change? >> first off, i've ...