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Joining us tonight. is there an emergency at the southern border? should we not now use the emergency funds and the powers that you have in your possession? >> so we have a humanitarian crisis, to put it mildly. people are trying to get in by the tens of thousands. they're rushing the border, there's right now in honduras -- a country we pay a lot of money to, i think foolishly because they don't help us, but right now you have another caravan forming, and it's going to be the biggest one yet. we stopped the last one. you see what's going on in tijuana, they couldn't get through because we got...

United states. so you're running out of time. >> yes. what can you do? can't find the government. we'll try. we'll try to stop them. stall them. a little bit. we can't stop the government. they'll do what they want to do. >> it's pretty incredible when you look at that report, give people a sense, you're giving up territory of the united states to put a wall up. you're taking that away from people who own it, who live there. i mean it's incredible. and you've got to president going down there tomorrow. he says he doesn't want toork but he's going. he picked the rio grande valley. why? >> well ...

Again, it's incredulous. i can't believe that someone could state that. again, there is factual, historicalal data that just says that is absolutely absurd. n's false. >> tucker: i saw a lot of people who had the air of authority about them, who reallh seem to know what they were talking about last night claimed that every study has shown that illegal immigrants in this country commit crime at a lower rate than native-born americans. we do this topic a lot and we are pretty conversant with thebo social science on it. i have never s seen that study. where are those numbers from? >> i've never s...

Completely decided this issue. he sang it's not racist, it's not about putting a wall up, it's about establishing a border, having security, and laying the foundation for the country. >> harris: its interest income of the timing of this. the next round of paychecks that will be -- if we don't figure this out. by some estimations, it's too late already to get those thursday or friday checks out at this point. the issue now is the shutdown. with regard to it -- melissa is saying about the border at and l of that, it might have been better to do the speech after. but the time will allow for that....

Number one, impossible, and i'm not sure that's what you would want to do, but there are certain hot spots where i think when you put a wall up and use it in concert with drones, with increased border patrol who are doing a great job down there, that the kind of leadership that we have within the border patrol will allow us to use that as one of the most effective tools in keeping folks out. the wall, that is. >> okay. you have been recently nominated to serve on an intelligence advisory board for the president of the united states. this, of course, comes amid the mueller investigation as well...