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The idea to build a wall, however, this's not even his idea. i mean, others proposed this. we have a wall. and others with a tonight do that. >> right. so that's what you say in the article, what you project on trump day five with the crystal ball. build the wall and we know he has a goal of 1,900-mile long wall. tell us about how they would work and cost. >> a triple layer wall, as well. he's looked into this. okay? there's cost estimates to put a wall up on the border. $25 billion. that's a lot of money. i guess you could do it in the federal budget. i don't think a lot of members of congres...

Wall up where he's hiding anything. i feel like i'm accusing hillary clinton of hiding something. i'm not. but at this point from the way her campaign is acting, it seems like she is. >> right. >> you know, donald trump seems authentic. bernie sanders seems authentic. i think authenticity in politicians, even like someone in trump is a bit of a shell game. those are just ultimately personas. we don't know what donald trump is like in his private life. we don't know what bernie sanders is like in his private life. these are probably more authentic personas than the one hillary clinton is presen...

Helicopter. with that said at the beginning of the week, he had this interview on "meet the press" with chuck todd and many thought, this is a chance to press donald trump him on these huge platforms he continues to talk about and his polling continues to rise even with his controversial ideas. i want to play what he talked with you about with regard to immigration. >> before i even start the wall up, i'll get the badz ones out. we've got some really bad dudes in this country. they're gang members in baltimore. gang members in chicago. and they're very bad people and we're going to get them ou...

Around the whole place, just certain pieces. do you think exposure and dealing with the dynamics he's talking about may be changing it? >> i think that he was embarrassed to contradict his guest, the mayor of laredo who told him, you know what donald? we don't need a wall to cross the whole border of the united states. that's one issue. the other issue is when you get down to the border it does give you a sense as to how difficult the problem is and, two, the idea that you can -- that you can basically stop 100% the people crossing into the united states just by putting a wall up was made clea...

Want to go where you went but -- >> why? >> shady balls? >> but i was going to say to you, i think what you've got with the clintons is a situation that everybody kind of is uncomfortable. the question is where do we go from here? because if i said to you, where is the smoking gun, you don't have an answer to the smoking gun. >> k.g. of the $2 billion in the foundation is spent on themselves is it really a foundation? should we even call it a charitable foundation? >> no. 10 cents on the dollar? i don't think so. that's the problem. why is it an automatic gift handed over like you know free gi...