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I'm going to hit them, muslim band, all of those things. those are speaking to people who felt like they were forgotten for a long time. even though i don't like it i understand it works. steve: but will it work in reality for real people? >> when trump says, you want to see if a wall works, go to israel. israel is one of the most effective democracies in the world. transparent, rule of law, independent judiciary, anti-corrupt and they've built walls. the only problem is that you have to think the palestinians -- steve: by the way, economically, real success story -- we're out of time. thanks ...

The cross-border traffic based on where you put the fencing. you won't put a fence on the rio grander. >> a montana top. you will funnel it to your advantage. that makes perfect sense. last question. do you get the sense people don't want the wall because they know the wall works? >> yes. what you want -- you see the left politicizing this issue all the time. we want to stop talking about this issue. we don't want this to be a 20-20 debate. we want to secure the bored so we don't have to continue to say we need this and we need that. let's get the republicans behind this president, get him wha...

On where you put the fencing. you won't put a fence on the rio grander. >> a montana top. you will funnel it to your advantage. that makes perfect sense. last question. do you get the sense people don't want the wall because they know the wall works? >> yes. what you want -- you see the left politicizing this issue all the time. we want to stop talking about this issue. we don't want this to be a 20-20 debate. we want to secure the bored so we don't have to continue to say we need this and we need that. let's get the republicans behind this president, get him what he need. we'll secure the bor...

On where you put the fencing. you won't put a fence on the rio grander. >> a montana top. you will funnel it to your advantage. that makes perfect sense. last question. do you get the sense people don't want the wall because they know the wall works? >> yes. what you want -- you see the left politicizing this issue all the time. we want to stop talking about this issue. we don't want this to be a 20-20 debate. we want to secure the bored so we don't have to continue to say we need this and we need that. let's get the republicans behind this president, get him what he need. we'll secure the bor...

Have an access road for the part of patrol agents that's sitting 40 feet off the border right now that they are on the paved road that the ages can't be detective. you need to put up a ladder or an agent can drive up on you? that would be like asking you to put up a ladder on the highway and the border agents are coming every couple minutes. when we build what we can build, literally, those agents can travel 6-10 times as fast as they do because they have access. in the end, you have to build a barrier. our barrier lasts 150 years. then we've got to give access to the agents so they can protec...