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Have to make him pay a price for crossing that line. after all, that's really what the invasion was all about and what the united states and our allies decided was that if russia were to cross that line, that russia and putin would pay a heavy price. they are paying a heavy price. in sanctions and in war aid that we're prodviding to ukraine and so if putin were to cross that line with regards to the use of those kinds of weapons, it ought to be very clear that he will pay a price for that. >> when you say pay a price, i want to make sure we're crystal clear here. you're not talking sanctions o...

That he's at war with, i just think he is -- he doesn't care about the number of casualties that come with this war. he could care less. that's an unfortunate reality. >> yeah, i think he's shown that even before this latest report the u.s. announced war aid to ukrainians including sending soviet tanks, switchblade drones, as well. i'm just wondering what you think about this sort of delicate balance the u.s. is playing, right? where their providing assistance and doesn't ever doesn't want to escalate russia but could the weapons escalate? >> well, there is a recommendation that's been on the ...