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>> joining us is steve israel, a political commentator, former obama deputy. deputy dhs secretary julia khayyam. juliette, you've expressed concerns about how donald trump's national security council was shaping up. how do you see it shaping up with general mcmaster? >> i agree, give credit where credit is due, this is a good pick. but what we don't know is whether this is the end of the war between a national security staff and the war led by bannon or if this is replacing one general for another. we'll have to wait and see what that means. in terms of having someone who respects process and ...

Trump's national security council was shaping up. how do you she ee it shaping up with general mcmaster? >> i agree, give cadiredit wher credit is due, but whether this is an end of the war led by bannon or is this just replacing one general for another. in terms of having someone who respects process and is not bureaucratic mumbo jumbo, it is very important that agencies like dhs, d.o.d. have a seat at the table so they can give the best advice to the president of the united states. that is what the staff is all about. we simply don't know at this stage what deals were made to get him on boar...

S you have to make sure they don't defect.3 senator s you have to make sure they don't defect. >> we had john mccain as a serious detractor of our th then-secretary of defenses don rumsfeld. he was far more than a gadfly. he was able to drive the national conversation about what was going wrong in -- i would have to say, i don't think it's an overstatement to suggest john mccain's critique of the war led to a policy process that led to the surge that turned the war around. he is a very influential voice on foreign policy the world over and even more importantly, i think jeremy mentioned that r...

It wasn't a very close election. i think he has to move forward with his agenda and live up to the promises he made to his people. i think if he does that, they will stay with him. if he loses that, i think john mccain and lindsey graham are always going to be a couple gadflies, one is the nominee who ran and got clobbered, the other -- when we have 5 senator s you have to make sure they don't defect.3 senator s you have to make sure they don't defect. >> we had john mccain as a serious detractor of our then-secretary of defenses don rumsfeld. he was far more than a gadfly. national conversati...

And that's with records to the houthi is, in yemen. >> do you buy that? does that reduce iran's influence if successful? >> good luck in actually doing that. if you look back the 2003 iraq war, when we went in it created a lot of mistakes. but one of the biggest mistakes is we ended a policy of dual containment. we contained saddam hussein under iraq who didn't have nuclear weapons, and we contained iran. and that war led to an expansion of iranian influence, and, you know, the rest is like watching gravity take place. so we might be able to tweak things along the margins. but quite simply ove...