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I think that issue is going to come to a head in europe. europe has been turning a blind eye and ignoring orban, tolerating him, and keeping this spigot of subsiies on for so many years. i suspect that's going to come to a head in this horrific war situation, in which hungary is acting as the proxy for putin. >> hungary also dramatically reducing the number of ukrainian refugees they're taking in in recent days. admiral, we heard from chairman milley, suggesting this could be months, perhaps years. with the focus, its seems, on the donbas region. walk us through, from your experience, what tha...

Under current circumstances, of course, it's a very hot seat because i have to do a lot of geopolitics, and sometimes it looks like a military exercise, rather than just running a company, because we are on the front line. many of ukraine's key fossil fuel assets are in the donbas region. that, i imagine, is a profound problem in itself. also, you have this very complicated relationship with russia when it comes to transhipment of fossil fuels. on both those levels, i imagine business is extraordinarily difficult right now. yes, but what makes it even more difficult is that in 2014 they invade...

With russia when it comes to transhipment of fossil fuels. on both those levels, i imagine business is extraordinarily difficult right now. yes, but what makes it even more difficult is that in 2014 they invaded ukraine, the russians invaded ukraine, they illegally occupied crimea and illegally occupied donbas. and since then, we have been living under these war circumstances. and of course, it doesn't help any business to do business in a country that is again inside this kind of war situation. although it's a hybrid war, it's not a full—scale war, but of course it complicates our life and ...

And illegally occupied donbas. and since then, we have been living under these war circumstances. and of course, it doesn't help any business to do business in a country that is again inside this kind of war situation. although it's a hybrid war, it's not a full—scale war, but of course it complicates our life and the lives of ukrainians. and you can see that interview in full on hardtalk on bbc world later at 09.30 gmt, 15.30 and 18.30. let's now get some of the day's other news. for those of you watching in the uk, you can access that anytime you wish to the bbc iplayer. saudi arabia has t...

On both those levels, i imagine business is extraordinarily difficult right now. yes, but what makes it even more difficult is that in 2014 they invaded ukraine, the russians invaded ukraine, they illegally occupied crimea and illegally occupied donbas. and since then, we have been living under these war circumstances. and of course, it doesn't help any business to do business in a country that is again inside this kind of war situation. although it's a hybrid war, it's not a full—scale war, but of course it complicates our life and the lives of ukrainians. if it is vladimir putin's intentio...