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Airplanes? isn't that an act of war against that country? >> the bosnia one was framed in terms of a u.n. resolution that imposed the no-fly zone. in the case of iraq, the u.s. and several allies acted without the u.n. and legality of that operation is still disputed to this day. >> howard, let me bring you in here. it seems it's a slippery slope. they are honest and clear. they want to go for a no-fly zone but immediately say let's go after those assets. i love the way they use those terms. assets. they're people you will blow up over there. is this a real left/right fight over a war situatio...

They are honest and clear. they want to go for a no-fly zone but immediately say let's go after those assets. i love the way they use those antiseptic terms, assets. they're people you will blow up over there. is this a real left/right fight over a war situation again? >> not quite. senator john kerry, the democrat head of the senate foreign relations committee is on record very strongly in favor of a no-fly zone in conjunction as even neocon said in conjunction with allies. the problem is that kerry and secretary of state hillary clinton haven't engineered the cooperation necessary to give su...

That's what we have to do. and corroborating information these days has become almost like a quaint exercise. that stuns me because i operate in fact based reality with objective facts. >> obviously it is difficult to do that in a war situation where there's no troops protecting you. you used the phrase a moment ago. >> no, it's not difficult. i've covered war all my career. you have to be there and you have to be able to corroborate and confirm. i'm not protected by troops or protected by anybody. we're journalists. we go there and tell the story. otherwise the story is told by rumor, by acti...

Cincinnati. the attack on public houston unions is going to be win the battle lose the war situation. i've been a republican and a cop for 25 years. in 2012 i'll still be a cop but will vote democrat. >> reducing pay of pension benefits is reasonable but why play out shirley, unions are too powerful and need to be curtailed. they want to work but don't want their dues used for political purposes.

>> it's the realistic option here. >> what? >> you know what's realistic, i'm the freaking commander in chief and you do what i tell you to do. i say we're withdrawing july 2011. that's what we're doing. why can't a strong commander in chief to do that? >> the president, the commander in chief, as jonathan just pointed out quite accurately, has also said he will be governed by conditions on the ground. what else should he be governed by except that? >> it's such an excuse. >> it's a realistic assessment of what you have to do in a war situation. >> right. >> you can't be governed by anything o...