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Century where witchcraft and sourcery were commonplace. that's their rationale behind it. >> what were they doing that was actually a sourcery? >> well, i think with with sourcery, i think a lot of it is, they there have been reports, for instance, they actually executed some people for actually just doing magic tricks and things like that in raqqa. i think they have just got a very extreme sort of warped view of islam and they apply this very literally. if you take the koran as many sort of verses that you can pick and choose and then membership it and then use it to kill people. i think ther...

Innocent and yet he doesn't, your view? >> that's right, i think we have to talk this up to the fact that president trump is versus sensitive on this issue. he doesn't want to do anything that could undermine what he perceives to be the legitimacy of his win in the electoral college. and if he were to take a hard line, if he were to punish russia for its meddling. and if he were to admit that russia meddled, in his warped view, he would be giving credence to the fact that his electoral victory was illegitimate. i think what worries many of us in the national security realm, with that victory i...