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About how much of afghanistan does karzai even control? and if you have that limited, relatively speaking, limited u.s. presence there, is there any real difference between 10,000 and zero? >> does there is really no way of knowing that we do have something to show for the last ten years, that is that there have been no large-scale or small-scale attacks on the united states that originated in afghanistan. now, it's impossible to prove whether that's because of what we've done there or in spite of t but this is part of a longer narrative that goes back a couple hundred years of large, outside ...

To force congress to change it. he doesn't want to rule over, doesn't want to take control no pressure on the republicans to compromise with him. i don't think woe ever go that not just for -- there probable slay substantive way he could stop all immigrations, he doesn't want to do that that is not politically help envelope terms of pushing forward an immigration bill. so the heckler wasn't wrong, i don't think h the heckler had some substantive points to make. the president would only do that for political reasons. >> don't stay like it's bad thing. >> yes. >> a bad thing. >> but again, i don...

Republican party, which makes it that much more difficult for them to get their people on board. i don't see people like chris christie and paul ryan necessarily rounding up votes and saying we need this done right now because they know it doesn't necessarily affect them in 2016. republicans, you know, they lost in 2012, on a losing streak right now. they can still win in 2016 regardless of what happens with this immigration debate. where it starts becoming a big problem is 2020, 2024 and those future elections when? a much bigger portion of the electorate. >> that way it is like climate chang...

A cyber warrior type of feeling, an element, but it is definitely a skill and job occupation that's going to grow, not go away. >> reporter: and graduates right out of college can make starting salaries of more than $100,000, and considering the barrage of cyber attacks, job security here, they've got nothing to worry about. jenna in. [laughter] jenna: a little play on words. did you learn any tips from these resident hackers, david lee? >> reporter: one of the reasons that systems are broken into is not because the technology fails, but because the human being fails. and a lot of times the ha...

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