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To really put into one thought the magnitude of the loss in those moments. >> it is. it's impossible, and i live with it probably every day in my -- my assistant of 35 years lost her husband. he was the captain of rescue 1. they have a 14-year-old daughter. >> hmm. >> i have many friends that i lost that day. families i know, and i've made friends of many of the families. >> right. >> but the point that i make and i made last night when i was there, we can fool ourselves with this memorial and this museum and everything else into thinking this is over. this isn't pearl harbor. there's a museum...

>> these are reasonable questions and i wish the republicans -- this is a hopeless hope, they wouldn't turn everything into their list of hell they love, the same charm bracelet they put everything on, but the fact is, they are going to do it, but i'm still going to say what i have to say, i wonder about this deal, i don't think it looks as rosy as it did on saturday and i wonder why they thought it was just another lousy rollout. >> chris, i guess what i would come back to you on this front is, if the war is not over, then they wouldn't have released them. there is this mindset in the white h...

Charm bracelet they put everything on, but the fact is, they are going to do it, but i'm still going to say what i have to say, i wonder about this deal, i don't think it looks as rosy as it did on saturday and i wonder why they thought it was just another lousy rollout. >> chris, i guess what i would come back to you on this front is, if the war is not over, then they wouldn't have released them. there is this mindset in the white house and in the national security community that the war is winding down, and if you're winding down the war, then at some point you have to do something with thes...

Counterterrorism mindset puts american lives at risk. basically saying the president just put american lives at risk. specifically, what has he proposed or done or said that makes you think that? >> listen, i think this is the most significant foreign policy address ever given by this president. and at the same time i found many parts to it disturbing for many reasons. i think the rhetoric sort of defies the reality in terms of the threat level that we've all been briefed on. i mean, the narrative is sort of that, you know, al qaeda is on the run, they're defeated, let's claim victory, war's o...

Foreign policy address ever given by this president. and at the same time i found many parts to it disturbing for many reasons. i think the rhetoric sort of defies the reality in terms of the threat level that we've all been briefed on. i mean, the narrative is sort of that, you know, al qaeda is on the run, they're defeated, let's claim victory, war's over. and then let's go back to a pre-9/11 mentality. he actually said that the threat now is what it was before 9/11. >> you know, he did, congressman -- >> i couldn't disagree with him more on that. >> i understand that. but that is words. and...