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It harder for them to both cast that vote and then know that they're going to be taking this political hit. >> it's also given members of the senate license to say, okay, this isn't what we want to do. let's slow down. let's look at this again. and you're hearing that from across the republican idealogical spectrum. it's not necessarily tea party. it's not necessarily moderate. you're hearing it from a lot of republican senators who just want to take a step back. >> let me jump in for one second. this is one of the fascinating challenges. for wow watching at home, there's a washington process....

About anything else. but he's been really, i mean, one of the best moments this week is when he was so upset at all the attention christie was getting, that he began attacking the idea that christie had in his speech, that everything was messed up in washington. and you had rand paul defending washington, defending the washington process. i think this goes back to the whole idea that there are these different ideas in the republican party. every time, lake, when christie tried to give a serious speech about foreign policy, then just veered off into this battle with paul. when paul, in his own ...

Week, when he would like to talk about anything else. but he's been really, i mean, one of the best moments this week is when he was so upset at all the attention christie was getting, that he began attacking the idea that christie had in his speech, that everything was messed up in washington. and you had rand paul defending washington, defending the washington process. i think this goes back to the whole idea that there are these different ideas in the republican party. every time, lake, when christie tried to give a serious speech about foreign policy, then just veered off into this battle ...

Coming over to the white house and they were having this fight again. he's just not going to negotiate. >> here's the interesting thing. people don't care about the debt ceiling being raised. the "wall street journal" just said, the people say don't raise the debt ceiling so the president has to turn around public opinion on that. >> this one, i bet he can turn around. because this one, people are so frustrated with the washington process, so frustrated with the discussion of a shutdown, if he can go out and argue that it's just a broken system, maybe he can win over a little bit of good will,...