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>> jack, that's good spin. come on, jack. come on. >> no -- >> come on. jack. don't come on here -- >> don -- >> you are -- if you have a staff that's good, and everything is working, you don't change them. you keep them as long as possible because your agenda is working and they're helping you with it. so why are you spinning that way? what happened with why is there so much chaos, so much turnover? it's not that he's going through his agenda so fast. if these people were qualified as he said from the beginning, they should be able to roll with it. they're the best. come on. >> i was in the u...

People who don't share -- >> i want to ask you another question, tara. quick answer, please, because i'm out of time. we have seen this before. reports of people who are supposedly leaving. the president denies, and then they do leave. he has now lost around half of his senior staff in the first 14 months of his presidency. why not just own it? >> because he doesn't own anything. he doesn't take responsibility for anything. but i don't understand how someone who bragged about i hire only the best people can't seem to keep people. i mean, he can't seem to make a decision. >> did you hear what j...

Satellite telephone which we can listen into, and the next day he stopped using it. that's the sort of thing people are doing that -- as far as i'm concerned, functionally constitutes treason. >> that was in the 1990s. that wasn't 9/11. i was a counterterrorism guy. that fact is a false fact. incorrect. >> okay. thank you both. the investigation reaching more members of team trump and one of the first family. what all this could legally mean for the white house. the white house that's under siege. we'll tell you when we come back. with advanced technology, so we can make sure oil and gas get...

Will have staff for a particular phase of his agenda and then he's going to change the staff and i think that we've all seen that this is a man who does not mind making personnel changes and he sees -- >> that's a good spin. come on, jack. come on. >> no -- >> come on. jack. don't come on here -- >> don -- >> you are -- if you have a staff that's good, and everything is working, you don't change them. you keep them as long as possible because your agenda is working and they're helping you with it. so why are you spinning that way? what happened with why is there so much chaos, so much turnover...

>> washington can be chaotic, there can be chaotic periods. when it comes to staff changes in this white house, which is what i'm asking you about, not asking you about getting the agenda across, i'm asking you about the staff changes. why so much turmoil? he was in love with the generals. i love the generals. he put so many of them in his cabinet. now he's getting rid of them. i'm asking you a very simple question, why has he seemed to have fallen out of love with the generals? >> in my experience, a by-product of productivity is staff burnout and staff changes, that's the only explanation i ...