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Outfront former nypd officer eugene o'donnell and he's also a professor, and we me we have van jones. van, to you first, we're seeing actually let's come back to van in just a moment but eugene i want to talk to you about one of the 911 calls that we've been hearing. let's listen. >> apparently tony hit one of his friends. no weapons seen. i got another call for the same suspect. went inside stride to strangle another patron. >> you hear it there. he says no weapon seen and i know we just heard from police expert in wisconsin that an unarmed man can become armed, but if robinson was acting out...

Departments in the united states. >> neil the police commissioner saying that the threat was they believe the suspect was going for the police officer's gun. the man wasn't armed. but what was your reaction when you heard that? >> yeah. obviously he was not armed so the only thing that i thought of was that he was going for the officer's gun or at least the officer thought he was going for his gun. i hate to be in this position of monday morning quarterbacking. in generally speaking to this we have a long way to go with training. we had four officers trying to subdue this particular individual...

And this might just be an aggravating factor, but you're not going to wish it away. you're not going to protest it away. these are things that communities have to really deal with at their roots. >> obviously, errol, there's a lot of anger about michael brown, who wasn't armed. in that surveillance video, you see the suspect raise a gun at the officer. i mean, do you think that that still warrants protests? you can see what went on at the gas station afterward. >> protests happen to are a lot of different reasons. not only michael brown but eric garner, eric garner was unarmed. michael brown w...

New york. i was out there last night watching these protesters. they were partying. that's what they were doing. they were partying. taking pictures of themselves, smoking pot. drinking. running around, having a gay old time. all right? not all of them. but more were doing that than were worried about eric garner. that's the fact. how do you process that? >> well, i process that with a different fact. there is a dead man who wasn't armed. who was a married father of six children. with 31 arrests. >> we have all agreed. even in the previous block you mentioned he was not a major offender. how i...

This second running around new york. i was out there last night watching these protesters. they were partying. that's what they were doing. they were partying. taking pictures of themselves, smoking pot. drinking. running around, having a gay old time. all right? not all of them. but more were doing that than were worried about eric garner. that's the fact. how do you process that? >> well, i process that with a different fact. there is a dead man who wasn't armed. who was a married father of six children. with 31 arrests. >> we have all agreed. even in the previous block you mentioned he was ...