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Fireman. how was that delay? >> my recollection is from open source reporting i read more recently. is that the fbi first discovered the intrusion. that's my recollection. >> intrusion of the state systems? >> into the dnc. >> okay. >> the -- and i recall very clearly that there was a delay between that initial contact with the dnc and when the report got to me as secretary of dhs. it may had been that there were others at the staff level in dhs who were privy to this before it filtered up to me in an intelligence report but that is my recollection. >> let's ignore the dnc for the moment. let'...

Heard before directly from the intelligence community. the only thing i would have on that is derivative of what the intelligence has and law enforcement community. >> speaking of the intelligence community, it strikes me that most of the information currently available was available in the fall of 2016. most of the intelligence products that are relied upon to form certain assessments, that underlying data was available in 2016. some of it before the election. >> i'm not in a position to agree or disagree with that because i don't have access anymore to intelligence over the last five months....

As welg. a couple things. there were allegations by one of the campaigns, the trump campaign, that the process was rigged. the allegation wasn't that it was being rigged by a foreign power. why wasn't it more important to tell the american people the length and breadth of what the russians were doing to interfere in an election than any risk that it might be seen as putting your hand on the scale? didn't the public have a compelling need to know, notwithstanding the claims made by a campaign about a different kind of rigging? and the need to rebut the idea that this was being presented to the ...