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That's why you hired me to do. wouldn't he? he would be crazy on a politician saying that. >> a true mrooefr -- believer in self-running government. >> glenn: he said you can amend the constitution and i think the amendment system is brilliant because for instance, prohibition. that amendment is there. plus the repeal. so when you look at the constitution, you're like oh, really? we banned alcohol. that didn't work out well. the scars are left there and it goes to what jefferson said and i'm hearing the same thing from madison that the people -- trust the people. they're going to make mistakes...

On. public opinion, lincoln said, is everything. without it nothing can succeed. with it, nothing can fail. he who holds public opinion goes deeper than he who enacts stay chutes and legislation. he makes the statutes and legislation possible. it really is a government by the people. the movement we are seeing now in the united states for example, which has different component parts and different people, this is a movement from the ground up. this is something we saw in prerevolutionary america. who knows where it will end up. voices are being heard and they are influencing public opinion. you...

Liberties. >> glenn: it is amazing. i was thinking, because i think there is a lot of people in america on both sides of the aisle that are not going to sit down. god help hus if it gets violent and spirals out of control. but it requires someone like lincoln who could spin things and get them back. that is a one in a million find. to have someone to squash like that, you don't do that. that is dangerous. how does the system work when you have people gaming the system, playing the system, in the system? is there any escape hatch or a way to without violating liberties? is there anything to do?...

Was with the last president, with this president, been with presidents in the past. it becomes an emergency. got to go it. got to do it. you don't even read it. so it just goes through. wasn't everything that he did basically a roadblock or a speed bump? >> he wanted to slow things down. and allow for communication between the representatives and their constituents. in the newspapers, circulating he said throughout the entire nation, so we take time to think about these things, to have second thoughts. so that the judgments we might come to are more reasonable. jefferson said the world of majo...

Jefferson was just an explorer i think. explorer on everything. who is he? >> the first thing he wanted to do is a lot of people came to the convention wanting to fix a broken system. he wanted to do something epic, historic. he wanted to build a republic that would last for generations and decades. he had studied every republic that ever existed in the history of the world and he believed he had figured out a formula. part of the formula was enumerated powers, not general powers and decentralizing power. >> glenn: do you guys, does it bother you -- when people used to say, "we're a democracy....