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As to why we're seeing his approval ratings drop. think about what's happening with covid, things that are happening in the economy. i think it was the nbc poll had a number that was about the covid relief legislation and whether people thought it was helping the economy. and more people said it wasn't helping, 38%. and 27% i believe had no opinion. that, if i'm a house democrat, i'm looking at that and wondering about the midterms because that's something they've been campaigning on. >> and we know those polls don't include their base normally. >> polls are just the snapshot -- [ laughter ] >...

Going to pay for it. the president says, well, we need the wall anyway because of all the terrorists. >> people are pouring into our country including terrorists. we have terrorists. we caught ten terrorists over the very short period of time. these are very serious people. our border agents, all of our law enforcement has been incredible but we caught ten terrorists. these were people that were looking to do harm. isn't that right, mike? >> no. he was saying we just caught these terrorists. his own state department responded, no credible information that any member of a terrorist group has tr...

If flynn still would not confirm what he said, they would not confront him or talk him through it. one of the agents reported that general flynn was unguarded during the interview and clearly saw the fbi agents as allies. now, i think that this is important. legally i think it's important, i think it takes away from the idea that flynn was manipulative and looking to get away with something, okay? that's going to be relevant to the judges and certainly it was for special prosecutor. doesn't mean he didn't lie. doesn't mean what he did was wrong, which he now takes responsibility for. but remem...

Thousand and one -- >> right. i read that to people in this. we get that idea he wasn't playing it like a liar, he was trying to be cooperative and he was open and easy and, if anything, they took advantage of that. that's their case to make. anything else in these documents that you think might wind up being instructive down the road? >> well, i think that really what is instructive is how much cooperation flynn was able to give mueller on myriad topics, so that to the extent that mueller's investigation needed to be fleshed out by an insider, flynn really seems to have been that person. sure...

They take a bit issue with the manner in which the interview that gave rise to the lie arose, saying indirectly we really didn't expect this to be the type of interview where if i didn't remember anything correctly, it would result in a thousand and one -- >> right. i read that to people in this. we get that idea he wasn't playing it like a liar, he was trying to be cooperative and he was open and easy and, if anything, they took advantage of that. that's their case to make. anything else in these documents that you think might wind up being instructive down the road? >> well, i think that rea...