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Asked are you following and he said yes -- or whatever and he said we don't need you to do that but he was actually outside the car. that's one distinction -- >> my point -- >> an important one -- >> a very important one and i stand corrected on that point. my point is had he stayed in the car, had he followed the instructions not to follow him, we would not have a dead 17-year-old and that's the reality. >> right, and mel -- mel -- >> here is the problem -- >> mel robins, that is an incontrovertible truth. i come back to two things on this case, one is if george zimmerman had just carried on ...

And if you do take everything he says at face value, the question then becomes is he entitled to use his weapon in that circumstance? >> if you look at what exists as far as evidence, even the stains, bruises and you add this together, there is evidence that supports on one side the zimmerman story, who was on top, who was on the bottom? the screams have been pushed aside. those were all subjective and super news being brought in to somehow create just like profiling which was not a tool in the instrument or in the charge, but not to be use in the charge. >> screams are important in this case ...

Walking around the neighborhood. do you think at all that this witness brought some of these racial and profiling issues to the surface? >> well, i think that the defense wanted to try to show that it wasn't profiling, because the crime that had been curring in their subdivision thb of african-american young males. the jury has heard this before, so this was putting on a living, breathing example of what the jury has heard about. >> danny, let me put it to you. this witness had a very compelling story. i'm not exactly sure -- why don't you explain. why do you think this witness was brought for...