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That we now know, and this is what the hearing is all about to me, we know that she knew there was no protest caused by video. she told the libyan government, the egyptian government and her own family. bill: doesn't that go more to the point what the whole idea and message was from 11 to 9/12, to 9/14? >> maybe, maybe. what i find more disturbing to me is more creation of a shadow government where we have inessence illegal regime change that didn't go through process of congress. we have incredible cavalier of handing out 400 tons to weapons that we don't vet. we have issue of not protecting ...

I was not responsible for specific security requests and decisions. you remember that. what do you think of that comment? >> i was troubled by that because security should be the number one concern when the head of that department, the secretary of state is making decisions about where to send people. and what kind of anythings we should have. and while she talks about being responsible for policy, the policy need to take into consideration the security. and we know that there was not adequate security for that temporary anything compound. she did not acknowledge that any waive was signed. so ...

>> not much of a friend. >> did you listen to the testimony today? shes was asked why wasn't security provided for chris stevens, he asked for it. and her answer was consistently, he knew what the risks were. >> she said ten times that security people at the state department and out in the field, either made decisions that she might not have agreed with, but that it didn't get to her disk directly. >> i think two things. from a communications standpoint. i think actually they overcorrected. internally they were so worried that the politics of this was going to look bad in the last six weeks he...

Stevens' cable, that's the key. did you know about this cable? first question, here it is, july 9th, read the cable. did you know about it? yes or no. she is under oath. start there. stair step up but as you said, i don't know whether these congress people are astute enough to keep it simple, get her locked down. did you know if you did, why wasn't security granted to the ambassador? that's what this is all about. >> right. and i would also add, bill, that the task is complicated by the fact that in the standard format of a congressional hearing, the majority party gets to start and if it's th...

Key. did you know about this cable? first question, here it is, july 9th, read the cable. did you know about it? yes or no. she is under oath. start there. stair step up but as you said, i don't know whether these congress people are astute enough to keep it simple, get her locked down. did you know if you did, why wasn't security granted to the ambassador? that's what this is all about. >> right. and i would also add, bill, that the task is complicated by the fact that in the standard format of a congressional hearing, the majority party gets to start and if it's the chairman, he may take a l...