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And whether or not he has been named, the fact that he hasn't been named right now, does not mean he won't be named at all. >> the stone aspect of it, not named and here is what strikes me, david, the hack of john podesta which is the far more consequential of the two. dnc, dnc servers, a bunch of information we are going to go through. the john podesta is the most consequential. released before hollywood access day. its distribution, how it was distributed is not mentioned. an organization which is clearly wikileak appears but not a lot of detail. makes you wonder if something is coming on th...

Someone who first reported about the dossier, how does this strike you? >> it doesn't tell us something we didn't already know. we know there was a russian hacking operation and dumping operation. what this is is a reminder of reality. because for the last almost two years, trump and his minions have said this didn't really happen, or it wasn't significant. so this indictment is an indictment of donald trump. of all the people who said that the russian attack didn't happen. here we have it as you noted in detail. in between the lines of this indictment is the other half of the equation and tha...

Trump." and natasha bertrand. david, i want to stop with you. as someone who first reported about the dossier way back when, how does it strike you? >> to me it doesn't tell us something we didn't already know in the big sense. we know there was a russian hacking operation and dumping operation. what this is, is a reminder of reality, because for the last almost two years trump and his minions have kept saying this didn't really happen or it wasn't significant. so in a lot of ways, this indictment is an indictment of donald trump, of all the people who said that the russian attack didn't happe...

Campaign, after the campaign, the more difficult it becomes for them to explain it away. these excuses of i forgot or it wasn't significant, it wasn't what you asked if he about, once we have three or four events in someone's trajectory, it starts to look what prosecutors call willful blindness like their ostrich-like sticking their head in the sand, trying to ignore evidence of contact with russia as opposed to truly being unaware of it. >> and we to want remind everybody, shannon, about the exchange that the president had with julie pace of the associated press several months ago when, for t...

Disclosures. but the more contact we find out individuals had with russia during the campaign after the campaign, the more difficult it becomes for them to explain it away. these excuses of i forgot or it wasn't significant, it wasn't what you asked me about, once we have three or four events in someone's trajectory, then it really starts to look like what prosecutors call willful blindness. like their os rich like sticking their head in the sand trying to ignore evidence of contact with russia as opposed to truly being unaware of it. >> and we want to remind everybody, shannon, about the exch...