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Up again. this quarter has been good. and i'll explain why. basically saying, you know, i'm working for you. i'm trying to make the situation better. here's how we did it this time. >> do you think we should infer something negative about the trump organization's refusal to provide actual accounting of what they're donating back? >> i mean, i don't really know what we can infer from it. the thing you can tell from the way they've reacted to these questions is that the trump organization is a private business. and it has always been a very private business. it had always kept as many details ab...

Up again. this quarter has been good. and i'll explain why. basically saying, you know, i'm working for you. i'm trying to make the situation better. here's how we did it this time. >> do you think we should infer something negative about the trump organization's refusal to provide actual accounting of what they're donating back? >> i mean, i don't really know what we can infer from it. the thing you can tell from the way they've reacted to these questions is that the trump organization is a private business. and it has always been a very private business. it had always kept as many details ab...

Business, we'll do it. but we won't go beyond that. the idea that there might be some sort of need for transparency above and beyond what the law requires, to be -- to reassure people that the president wasn't sort of conflicted between his business interests and the public interests, they don't see that at all. they haven't responded to that at all. so we only know about his business dealings with foreign governments kind of through media reports, through dribs and drabs here and there. >> right, and through as often what you have been able to obtain by old-fashioned shoe leather reporting. d...

Never ending probes. and i think you've heard from them, but you've also heard from some democrats who is he had this is why we opposed the ken starr investigation. we heard from mark penn say that. but i think what christie said is trump has not helped himself in this case. he's done many things to expand, you know,s things that mueller is looking into. and that certainly dangerous for the president, but the criticism you hear from congress is that there really wasn't sort of a lawful charter that rosenstein put on mueller and a that has been the problem that conservatives have had with this ...

What people are saying. his hope is to get affirmation. he gets that from watching another cable network mostly as opposed to getting facts at places like these. the last time i covered a white house full time was george w. bush. the thing that people criticized hip for was that he was out to lunch, that he didn't watch enough tv news. you remember covering katrina. he was accused of not really understanding the impact and absolute horrors going on there because he didn't turn on a television because that wasn't sort of culturally what he liked to do. >> david, in past years, when presidents h...