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So, at the same time, if half of this stuff winds up being true, he never should have been put forward in the first place. this is, i think, a function of donald trump governing by seat of pants backfiring, which is he likes to govern by -- and make choices, by these are the people i like around me, and i like people who are loyal to me. >> that's the thing i want to know, if you realize, okay, i shot from the hip and this one is wrong. >> yeah. how do you get out of it. >> i think that's what he was traying trying to get out of it yesterday. he's hugely qualified and this is about partisan wa...

Is a wonderful man. i think he's been treated very, very unfairly by the media. what he did wasn't wrong. what he did in terms of the information he saw. when i looked at the information, i said, i don't think he did anything wrong. if anything, he did something right. he was just doing his job. this man has served for many years. he's a general. he's, my opinion, a very good person. well, i feel badly for general flynn, i feel very badly. he's led a very strong life. >> so there's a little bit of the president essentially boosting michael flynn's credibility. if it comes down to a he said/he ...

>> i asked for his resignation. he respectfully gave it. he is a man who there was a certain amount of information given to vice president pence who is with us today. and i was not happy with the way that information was given. he didn't have to do that will because what he did wasn't wrong. my white house counsel came to me. they had, i believe, two meetings. and we ultimately fired, but we fired for a different reason. >> you're talking about general flynn. >> general flynn. >> because lying to the vice president. >> yes, but everything plays in. everything plays into it. we fired him beca...

We didn't know until paul manafort walked into the courthouse and the fbi released the george papadopoulos plea what was happening. >> was papadopoulos somebody who was on youon your radar? >> he was and we wanted to interview him and he end up not interviewing him. that may have been deliberate on the department of justice. >> he was cooperating at that point? >> he was because he had been cooperating for months, which points to us chapter 2, that along with the fact that are sealed indictments still at doddoj. now part of now paul manafort has incentive to come totally clean about his contac...

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