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If it was, it doesn't rise to the level of impeachment. >> that wasn't the question. >> that was my answer. i didn't answer it the way you wanted me to. >> you're spinning. it is a spin. you're not answering the question. >> go ahead, rick. >> several things obtained here. you have to give rob props for the engages in the version of performative the defenses of donald trump. this is a we didn't do anything wrong. if we did, it wasn't wrong. we did something it's not wrong. we did something wrong so what. that's the argument. we haven't seen more evidence is because the white house is engaged i...

Question. >> go ahead, rick. >> several things obtained here. you have to give rob props for the engages in the version of performative the defenses of donald trump. this is a we didn't do anything wrong. if we did, it wasn't wrong. we did something it's not wrong. we did something wrong so what. that's the argument. we haven't seen more evidence is because the white house is engaged in pattern of obstruction of justice, stone walling. with holding documents and obstruction of justice. they engaged in a cover up of the cut off of aide to ukraine. minute after the phone and wasn't satisfied his...

I think this is after all a political event as much as it is a legal event. and i think that's where the white house should -- can and should be making much more noise about the obstruction. >> i just wish i were a fly on the wall in the white house right now to see what the reaction is there. because this "the washington post" reporting puts acting white house chief of staff yet again mick mulvaney back into the middle of this entire scandal, anita. he was already on thin ice we recall after his press conference where he admitted a quid pro quo and then he walked it back. i'm not seeing these...

Quid pro quo with ukraine. like, he's sticking to his own talking points, whether or not the people around him will continue to say that message is a whole other question entirely. >> yeah, absolutely. last word to you, john. how long can he keep this up? >> i think he can keep it up as long as he's drawing breath. look, i think the point is that it's not just deny and attack, it is confess, deny and attack. he did what he was accused of doing, he just says it wasn't wrong. we're going to keep hearing that from him. >> okay, john, brittany, thank you. good to see you guys. we have more break...

No. it is much stronger than that. nothing was done wrong. >> mac thornberry spent a lot of time with the president recently because he was in the box game five during the world series. mac thornberry knows what the president's position is on this. these members, despite what the white house and president tell them to say, when in front of the camera they don't know a defense other than saying something like that. a lot wish the president would concede the call wasn't perfect, what i did maybe wasn't the best way to handle that, i didn't realize the implications of what i was saying. that is n...