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On smugness done by the media but on the great reporting down by "the washington post," "the wall street journal," cnn. there are many more news organizations involved than just when "the washington post" and maybe "the times" were doing the watergate reporting. so i think the emphasis ought to be on the reporting. and bob is right in saying let's see what the facts are. but smug, no, i think that's secondary. >> but some folks are saying, hey, people in america don't care about this russia thing. what do you say to that? >> that our jobs as reporters is to get the truth. i would finally say t...

>> you want to talk about sweden. >> you know, again, you said correctly that it matters much more when you say something as president than when you are a candidate. we have to cooperate -- the swedes do have some potential terrorists there. we would like if swedish intelligence got us the names of those people if he are trying to enter the united states. you have reported on this a lot. >> they have been demanding better cooperation within europe, but across -- >> if we think sweden is a place where there is some dangerous people, you don't need to insult them and make them less likely to wor...

Without any reason is not the united states of america. if you start there, where do you stop? and i just think this is a very difficult line. that is what we really all of us want to get together, all the governors will be meeting this weekend in washington for three days of meetings, and this will be part of our discussion. we all want to work together to keep our communities safe. but we also need to protect civil liberties and protections that have made us the greatest nation on earth. >> i'm sure you will be discussing as well the modified travel ban as well. governor, thanks for taking t...

Little more conscious in caging his words in terms of when he talks about allies and things along that line. >> diplomatic cli put. on another issue on the travel ban, cnn's reporting that the president will likely this week release a modified executive order, among other things, exempting green card holders, which is one of the issues here. i know that in the past you had expressed your reservations about the first executive order. will a change like that be enough for you to support this measure? >> well, it depends. i want to see what it finally looks like. as i've said every president, eve...

Key relationships because they are asking hard questions now. >> words matter. they just matter. but i want to make one note, why unnamed sources are used, they are used because usually because people fear retribution or they are trying to get something out that gives insight into a problem. it's not because, oh, i want to make something up so i'm going to say it off the record. every good reporter knows not to print that sort of thing. >> if we didn't have unnamed sources, would general flynn still be there? >> fair point. absolutely. listen, there were some unnamed sources during the trump c...