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Better of the argument. and she pressed it. and she delivered it effectively. it was sort of this moment. right, we're debating. i'm doing this much we're all doing. this i thought that was a great moment for her because it in some ways felt like that was the first moment of this campaign officially. >> yeah, it was. i don't think manufacture us expected her to go after him that hard. she knocked him back on his heels a little bit. there is the only time of the night, i thought, when he wasn't sounding really like the authentic guy that he sells himself as and he usually is. this is a guy that...

And make sure that the law-abiding gun owners, the nra members are not listening and being misled by the leadership in washington. and that's what i've said. here's another thing, steve, also, in we in washington are basically having a tail-wagging dog and the lobbyists with their big money and support or the threat of using that support against us is controlling what goes on here in washington, then we better figure out why in the world we are here. and if not, go back home and let somebody else come here to stand up and fight. >> joe manchin, we both know the overwhelming majority of the nra...

Natural decline to some extent due to population moving into urban centers. and the regulation within those areas and the difficulty in obtaining concealed weapons permits in places like new york, in places like chicago, but i don't know that i agree that the percentage of households with guns is decreasing. i think there's underreporting there because we see every time there's one of these tragedies, in newtown, connecticut, there's a run on firearms. >> yes. across the country. we have places reporting the highest single day sales on record. >> and they are also reporting highest first purch...

And that was clearly not at all the approach take up. were you as surprised, rich, is that what you were expecting? >> i think i expected, yes, the nra to be more political, to take a more political approach. i think what lapierre did was take the more practical approach. if we tease apart what he was saying, sometimes because we don't particularly appreciate the speaker we don't hear the message. i think there was some value in what he was saying. he was not just talking about armed security in schools, he was talking about redundant security for schools, if you will. and he was talking about...

Organization took no questions, the executive vice president and ceo wayne lapier's only contribution was his call for armed guards inside all of the nation's schools. >> i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. and to do it now to make sure that blanket safety is in place when our kids return to school in january. >> for 30 minutes lapierre went on a tread that was steadfast, unyielded and trying to blame violence on the insane monster that is pop late our society. but it turned into a ...