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231 cases at the irs. the congress has a lo the to do with obamacare and-- >> mike, what do you think? >> i agree with everything that e-mack said, but don't make it part of the current tax reform. i don't want it bogged down like health care did. david: bruce, we have this principle, an american justice system that you are innocent until proven guilty. the irs doesn't conform to that. >> yeah, i don't really agree with this and i think it's sort of akin it drug cases where property is being seized and so forth without any due process and i think that this needs to be looked at and i don't thi...

What's happening here. what do you think? >> well, listen, hey, these guys, i mean, they were votes for the-- trump's agenda by and large. i don't know, it's kind of a wash as far as i'm concerned about you i would say, listen, jeff flake was a guy who shined the light on earmarks and stuff like that. so i don't think that these are two guys that are bad apples that are leaving congress. i don't agree with them, but i don't think that they're bad guys. david: e-mack, to bruce's point. some people say if you want to drain the swamp, you don't throw mud at other people, which they claim that pre...

Xfinity. the future of awesome. >> of all the frustrating things about our tax system. nothing seems more unamerican than the irs's inable to close down a business or bankrupt individuals before they've been convicted of a crime. it turns the principle of innocent until proven guilty on its head. a military veteran is waiting to get $60,000 back. e-mack, should ending the irs's power of confiscation of fund be a part of tax reform? >> yes, because the irs oversight of this has not been so state of the art. that small business guy lost his wife and went bankrupt in the midst of this whole thing...

Work for health care and as steve pointed out, congress hasn't got at the point the job done. david: bruce, i saw you shake your he head when mike was speaking. >> and some of these leaks are from those who don't have enough work to do. but listen, they've saved the taxpayers some money because it's not fake news that secretary price was spending hundreds of thousands of dollars flying private jets around the country. david: by the way, secretary price, who is know the there anymore, he lost his job because of that. >> yeah, hasta la vista. it's the revolving door. when people leave you get le...

Of charge companies have been doing this, having clinics in their own companies, sisco, for example. let's look on the screen at some of the details of the health care, increased choices beyond obamacare plan, competition, joining together across state lines. but what about those folks, e-mack, who are stuck right now in the obamacare exchanges? >> that's the key question, how do you take care of those with pre-existing conditions. striking statistic, 5% of the population are responsible for 50% of the health costs and about the poor and senior citizens and the state associations for businesse...