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Having to defend this. it's just an amazing thing. seems to me that trump actually, president trump is not actually speaking to us anymore. he's speaking i think to the 44% or so people who approve of his performance. by the way, richard nixon had slightly better numbers on the day in april of '73 when bob and john resigned. and so, for people who are charting this historically, that's kind of where the numbers are. i think that he's now and perhaps always has been simply speaking to his base. >> was that 44% -- pardon the interruption -- they believe -- are you saying they believe that? >> i ...

At that time the same pattern took place. the white house said, you know, well, you know, there's no evidence that it didn't happen. so, someone ought to examine it. and this has been an ongoing thing with this president. he has no filter and gets on twitter and most of us have a thought box and thoughts we express publicly. he has no filter. and he just goes right to -- and if he's read a conspiracy theory, apparently that was the provocation here. he takes it right to twitter if it suits his mood and then it leaves everybody else scrambling. i would think as a former white house staffer that...

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Ran for the state legislature. ran jfk's campaign in the biggest county in west virginia. and one of the things that struck him as he was working on this book which is about really kind of recreating the spirit of generosity of the new deal to help us defeat the depression, win world war ii, become the dominant power in the world was that people overcame their prejudice against the first catholic president. that was an incredibly difficult sell to make in 1960. and so, he has seen the country change in great ways as he's 90 years old. it's been a remarkable thing but a lot of those folks votin...

He's citicized the democratic party for catering to the elite class. does he think democrats can turn things around now? >> charlie is eternally an optimist, a west virginian who ran for the state legislature. ran jfk's campaign in the biggest county in west virginia. and one of the things that struck him as he was working on this book which is about really kind of recreating the ethos of the new deal, the spirit of generosity, the new deal, to help us defeat the predegradation, win world war ii, become the dominant power in the world, that was people overcame their prejudice against the first...