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>> especially when you leave the white house to work on the campaign and know people in foreign governments. even if they're your friends. the difference between this story and russia story, with russia, it was an adversary. you should know better. the israelis are obviously allies of our government. you do not take favors, work, consultancy, from a foreign firm. >> that's right. i think what we're going to find in mueller, there's been an interesting bread crumb trail here about emeratis, saudis, colluding with trump before and after to service his ends. i think we're going to find it's not j...

And whether any trump associates conspired, have obtained copies of the proposals and question the firm's employees according to people familiar with those interviews. "why do you think that is? >> well, because as you alluded to, nicolle, what's clear here is they were seeking out collusion with a foreign entity, doing what russia did. creating bogus social media profiles. tries to dig up dirt on hillary clinton and other people. what the russians end up doing is what was on the table here with this israeli firm. i think what that shows clearly is you and i both worked in politics. there are ...

Tricks when you and i -- >> exactly. you wouldn't hire out -- >> you're saying -- >> wouldn't hire the russians to -- >> the good old days. we're dating ourselves. there's so much more to talk about. we're going to. pi pick this up on the other side of the break. when we come blaack, weaponizing intelligence. how donald trump sought to create intelligence reports on his opponent and staff members from someone who was once targeted, who may be at our table. t our table. so he took aleve. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop toug...

Election. the scope of work the trump campaign considered included the creation of fake online identities to help the trump campaign manipulate voter sentiments during the gop primary against ted cruz. and ultimately, against trump's general election opponent hillary clinton. deputy campaign manager rick gates who has pleaded guilty in the mueller investigation and is now a cooperating witness sought out proposals from the israeli firm that also included, quote, complementary intelligence activities about mrs. clinton. the firm was not in the end hired but at the very least the proposed work e...

The illegality that we've talked about in the trump campaign's interaction with russia involved illegally receiving donations or contributions from a foreign entity. federal law prohibits that. but it might not necessarily prohibit paying money for a service. so that could be okay. even if that turned out to be the case, though, this entire deal illustrates an interest by the trump campaign and using really distasteful voter manipulation processes to influence voters. there's a lot more here. i think that we're early days on this story. >> and joyce, do you think it's a coincidence that the ac...