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Floors of the courthouse so there could be casualties up there as well. >> and were any of these opposition forces, as far as you could tell, were they well armed? i mean, armed enough to force these tanks and the libyan army to go away? >> absolutely. absolutely. i mean, i can tell you this myself, i'm not a weapons expert, but the last few days and weeks, obviously, i became acquainted with the military terms and terminologies used in battle. we're talking about what we call -- it's an armory, heavy machine gun. we're talking about antitank missile, we're talking about tanks, we're talking a...

Been very effective at whittling away the operative ability of aqi as well as cutting the leadership at the stake. >> we know that one of the leaders was a weapons expert, someone making a lot of decisions and very much in charge in iraq. so you talk about these middle managers so to speak of al-qaeda. is there any rising other al-qaeda member that we need to really keep an eye on right now or will that take time? >> yes, interesting you should say that because what is going on right now within the organization is a huge amount of foment. those left in charge are going through this fight tryin...