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Twofold. one, if you believe government is the only one able to solve these big problems that you undermine it for years, if not more, with this troubled rollout. and the obama people who championed him to win reelection, look at the cover of "new yorker." it looks so retro when it comes to technology. >> david, i tell you again, i think bob said the key thing. we're in the early innings of the game. to declare this, to define this whole program by the web start -- by the website debacle at the beginning and the rollout, i think, would be a huge mistake. they will fix the website, i'm confiden...

Question of should the knumsgume telling you what kind of policy you have to have, what's going to happen to premiums, what's going to happen to people who aren't in the individual market which is what we're hearing about now, but employer-based systems and whether there should be a delay. it's a fascinating, fascinating, and i must say kind of entertaining interview. >> i saw, you had to pull in the reins there to give each equal time. >> out of control, jamie. >> i want to ask at the core of it, obama care, giving their expertise, what do they say about the quality of care folks will get if ...

Healthy are widespread. >> sticker shock. >> sticker shock. >> sticker shock. >> you would be shocked to know what it costs. ♪ joining me now is dr. kory a bare, ceo, and professor at lsu health science center. great to have you with us, doctor. appreciate your time tonight. is it disingenuous in a mislabel by the media and by the conservatives to use the term "sticker shock?" >> yeah, it is. because guess what? you're getting a better product. i mean, it's not sticker shock when you want to buy a rolls-royce and you get the rolls-royce. i mean, obviously, the subsidies are going to help p...

Best. they refuse to engage on this issue until and unless they clear the primaries. at the same time, the president is trying to change the subject with immigration reform away from the hk website debacle. he probably shouldn't. he really probably should see this through, continue to assure the american public. and actually spend the taxpayer dollars that he is spending on immigration reform appearances trying to get young and healthy people enrolled in this system. >> in the end, i mean, we had an abc news/"washington post" poll and asked, the question was the health care website problems ar...

Date the law was passed would be grandfathered in unless lots of changes were made. now, you know, we have to imagine obama care not against a blank slate but what against insurance companies regularly do. >> now, david axelrod the white house senior adviser in the initial debates over obama care said it would be a huge mistake to define the entire affordable care act by the website debacle alone. >> peter, live in washington. thank you. eric? >> jamie, to the middle east now where secretary of state john kerry is in egypt, trying to mend fences after that country's foreign minister called rel...