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Size, but now it looks like there's enough charges before them which was another expectation that they've raised not only with how much -- how many people they would enroll, 500,000 in the first month, 7 million, but now they've said we're going to have a website fix in 2.5 weeks. that is going to be another pr disaster. i agree with leon panetta. they certainlily need to begin planning. >> charles, this is the kufl war trip, the prerl did well. obama draw a wile. i think as damaging as the website problems are, i think

He was running in the primaries and caucuses. i think jeremy is right, kathleen sebelius is safe. the white house is not interested in ceremonial firings. they need to get through the website fix, come back and reassess later. kathleen sebelius was in charge, but was there a ceo of health care? that's part of the question. there is nobody whose been accountable from start to finish for overseeing the implementation of this. >> there was a part of the interview where it was kind of clear he felt he got totally screwed over by his staff, team and the people behind it. he said i got taken by it. ...

Because it would bring up all kind of hearings, you know, to replace her. there would have to be senate hearings. it would open this whole barn door again for all the mistakes that have been made to this point. >> i mean obviously politically they want to do whatever they can to avoid that. don't want to pick a person through the confirmation process. don't want her to take the fall when it might not even have been her fault but really look at the fact they're in this hole. does firing kathleen sebellius get us out of here any sooner? does it fix the website? does it help people who were self-...

This is what's happening. people don't like it. >> let's go to the hearings today. we learned among other things the website fix -- and we'll have experts on next. the website fix made security for those people that go on it worse. help me out. is that what happened? >> there is no possible way with all of the changes they have done just in 30 days that they have managed to make this secure. most of our government services aren't secure. how did they do it in 30 days? it's impossible. just yesterday, i found out one company in my district, 3,000 people just lost their health care. come january...