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We will peck the thing apart and have the loser of the week the winners of the week. >> people who were told and believe if they leak their healthcare they can keep it. if they trusted their doctor, they could keep it. every single person and everyone in their world that knows about that story. that's not a website glitch. that's not a rollout problem. knows are people who feel fundamentally lied to. >> that's a credibility problem. i think that's a source. >> there are lots of winners. there are lots of lossers, too. >> they western honest about that. >> joe, i wonder if this is all about job...

Fair insurance markets -- >> how do you think that happened? how was that messaging -- how dud it get lost? how did it get so convoluted? >> i think it's really the double whammy of the website glitch. you don't have the winners you can point to to offset these stories of the much smaller number. ultimately the number of people who are seeing cancellations and higher prices will be a fraction. we haven't seen it yet because of the website glitch. >> insurers and state regulators complaining the president's fix is going to create new problems. washington state's insurance commissioner telling "...