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Possibly some communication directly from ivanka trump to michael cohen about that. >> absolutely. and she should be worried about not being 100% accurate. the russian weight lifter has said i never had anything to do with anybody from the trump organization, and yet apparently there are e-mails. and that disproves that. so she has to be very careful too to do exactly what the right thing is. this is all so almost ridiculous. everybody says you can't make this up. if you did, if you wrote this as a novel, no one would accept it. no publisher would publish it because it's too ridiculous. >> i'm...

Trump allies reportedly view the legal cloud hanging over trump's former attorney michael cohen at least as ominous as robert mueller's investigation. michael cohen has told friends that he expects to be arrested any day now, according to a source close to cohen. reached for comment, though, michael cohen wrote in a text message to gabriel sherman, quote, your alleged source is wrong. but the idea of michael cohen flipping and cooperating with prosecutors still has trump advisers super worried. trump should be super worried about michael cohen, a former white house official said. if anyone can...

None of it has anything to do with the law per se. the bigger problem is the stuff he was doing is not protected by attorney-client privilege. and to go back to the real point, dumb. >> you ucan't make this up. >> and deeply crooked. i don't mean necessarily -- i don't know if he has committed crimes. i'm not saying that but crooked as in bent. we know people that the rules don't really matter to them all that much. again, not something that lawyers generally tend to -- real lawyers, an attitude they tend to adopt. >> so senator ron wyden is saying he would like the staff of the intelligence c...

Ivanka trump connected the weight lifter to michael cohen, who was then working on a moscow trump tower project. at that time. joining us our discussion is jill wine-banks, msnbc contributor, and john heilemann is still with us. and jill, the worries about michael cohen seem to be mounting. and i think any lawyer out there thinks, yes, if one of your former personal lawyers is being investigated and raided by the fbi, you really should be worried about that. >> he really should be worried. and especially because less than .05% of all the documents seized had anything to do with legal represent...

It is a very small fraction, which means his work, as we've all been calling him, as a fixer. >> so not legal work protected by attorney-client privilege. how do you make that distinction? >> well, it's very easy when you are the judge jones, who is the special master and you go through them, it's very clear when someone is seeking legal advice as opposed to legal advice or criminal advice. and i don't mean criminal representation. i mean the kind of advice where you work together to commit crimes or to form a deal. one of the big things was trump tower in moscow that was something that cohen ...