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International politics and he didn't understand the bigger picture. and that's where he made some of his greatest mistakes. >> let's speak about one of those and that being weapons of mass destruction, right? this idea that -- the reason that the u.s. brought about the invasion, and as it turns out, he didn't have weapons of mass destruction, but he, you know, was keeping that myth alive to some degree, which helped bring on the invasion. why? what was his thinking? >> well, i think that he never -- saddam was one of the most secretive men i've ever met in my life. even in prison, he would alw...

Going to revert to this irrational violence. so we do have to, if we have the opportunity to assassinate baghdadi, we have to drive the islamic state into the ground, as quickly as we can. but at the same time, we have to come up with a political solution to replace it. >> general hertling, let me ask you. we don't know the answer to this question yet, but do we have signals that give us a sense as to if and how president donald trump will change the strategy to fight isis? >> yeah, the biggest challenge is going to be, what happens in each one of the theaters? and when i say that, i'm talking...

His actions. he filled a lot of graves. >> that's true. >> you said he was that great politician. we think politics are tough here. politics in iraq, deadly, literally. but you alsxplain him as a local boy who made good. >> yeah. >> explain why. >> he came from tikrit, which wasn't much of anything, a very small town. and one of the things that happened throughout his lifetime was that he was a poor boy who rose to the top of his profession and everybody also underestimated him. and people just thought that he was a nobody and then he managed -- that was one of the ways he managed to get the b...

It is almost that time again, folks when the night is approaching when anderson cooper and kathy griffin stand on the platform in times square and d anderson tries to maintain some form on the platform, and this year, kathy has a this new book, and i have a feeling that it will be coming up. >> this is our 10th anniversary. you are selling a book. you are selling the book. >> oh, my gosh. i didn't even think, and i forgot [ laughter ] >> all right. not only are you selling the book now, but you and i just shot some commercials for new year's eve. >> yes. >> and i noticed that you put your book...

Okay. still getting the touchdown. >> and what is funny with nick jonas, because i ran into him, and he gave me a bro hugs. >> ia thought that we could go three minutes without bringing up one of the jonai. >> i really like him. >> and what did joe do that is so horrible? >> i have never met him. >> and what happened to the one in jersey with the wife. nobody cares about him, frank or whatever the name is. and eason jonas, isn't there one of them? give me the phone. let's call ryan seacrest right no now. >> i don't have the number anymore. >> i do. let's call him and see what he thinks about y...