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And this will also be another testing point. yes, as we have discussed, there are people who are fully bought in, or mines close. there are a lot of americans who want to see what is happening. if you are running for president, and also try to run out the clock, rather than deal with the facts, that is a bad sign. that is separate from your legal process, but again, this is not someone donald trump, who was lonnie last time, exactly one people over, or one over independents, or independent minded veterans and national security folks. so he is legally presumed innocent, and if he can win in cou...

Jack smith that she was in fact selected? >> well base -- is a great question. stephanie based on the rulings we are whereof, as well as what we know what federal judges, she is probably one of the toughest, most adverse federal judges you could draw for this -- >> for jack smith? and he was willing to risk, that he was clearly more willing to risk it, more willing about venue, more worried that this case would get tossed out by not filing it in the right place that he was willing to take a gamble on judge cannon. >> jack smith as a gambling man. lawyers, stephanie ruhle, andrew weissmann, and...