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Bail that's set higher than the others. i don't know if that really has any meeting, but it could very well be that -- individuals were more active in this than the others. so, we have to really look at this probably over and over again before you get a real feel for it, but i have no doubt that they acted in a manner that is totally outside of any training, any policy, or anything else, or they would not have been charged with so serious offenses. >> the prosecutors also pointed out it was important what some of them at times we're not doing, which was stopping what happened. that played into...

Russian war strategy, but that is exactly how this particular areas playing out. this static line right here, may very well change one thinks frees up. >> phil, you talk some about the international will to support ukraine, and whether or not that may be wavering or strengthening with zelenskyy here in the united states tonight. what about the will to fight inside russia? how much does a lot of near putin and have to worry about his own people, and from an intelligence perspective, how can the u.s. assess how much backing putin still has? >> well if you wanted to ask the toughest question, tha...

Ukrainians after a while. but we learned over the past half a year, this is not a capability question, this is a will question. the question of will the ukrainians have beaten the russians time and time again, i think going into 2020, three going into the spring of this year, if the russians don't make major or significant gains, or at least hold their games going into 2023, the spring of 2023. if ukrainians keep making gains, i have to really look at a -- what we are seeing a your, go and asking whether the ukrainians might win this one. i cannot believe that, but it is a game of will, not ju...

Operate this? >> so the ukrainians, john, are going to need a bit of training to operate the system. it is a fairly complex system, and what it basically does is it takes the upper part of the air defense structure, in other words the higher altitude targets and it can go from medium to high altitude very well. its main target, ballistic missiles. this is what the system is designed to go against. it takes about six months to change the average operator on this where the u.s. army, ukrainians might be able to do it a bit quicker if they have the right skill set, and if they have people with a ...