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Americans instead of finding solutions. that's why members of congress has to find solution and go after comprehensive immigration reform. >> lee cowan out in phoenix, you're going to see exactly the emotional response. people are still digesting it, but as the day progresses and as we look forward to all of your reports on nbc and nbc nightly news, this is going to be a well spring of emotion, of legal reaction, protests. what are they anticipating out there? >> well, they were anticipating pretty large protests against this, because no one was quite sure how the judge was going to rule on th...

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Political change. they don't control them." ryan, did the president really have to learn that lesson? was that not something he understood before taking the oath of office? >> that's a good question. because let's be honest, obama's not the first question to campaign on changing washington, right? he's not the first person to tap into the anti-washington sentiment out there, and, you know, the question is, was it all just rhetoric or did he actually mean it? and you know, after looking at this pretty closely and writing about obama for a number of years now, i think it was genuine. i think he ...

Was that not something he understood before taking the oath of office? >> that's a good question. because let's be honest, obama's not the first question to campaign on changing washington, right? he's not the first person to tap into the anti-washington sentiment out there, and, you know, the question is, was it all just rhetoric or did he actually mean it? and you know, after looking at this pretty closely and writing about obama for a number of years now, i think it was genuine. i think he genuinely believed in his ability to forge consensus around some of the big issues of the day. i think...