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>> his grandmother in kenya said he was born in kenya and she was there and witnessed the birth, okay? he has a certificate of live birth. that's something that's easy to get. when you want a birth certificate, it's difficult to get. >> but considered the equivalent in the state of hawaii. they said they have seen this document. it is evidence he was born in the united states. that's good enough for them. scholars have looked at it. >> a birth certificate is not even close. a certificate of live birth is not even signed by anybody. i saw his. i read it very carefully. doesn't have a serial num...

Birth. that's something that's easy to get. when you want a birth certificate, it's difficult to get. >> but considered the equivalent in the state of hawaii. they said they have seen this document. it is evidence he was born in the united states. that's good enough for them. scholars have looked at it. >> a birth certificate is not even close. a certificate of live birth is not even signed by anybody. i saw his. i read it very carefully. doesn't have a serial number. doesn't have a signature. there's not even a signature. >> do you believe he is lying? >> i'm starting to think he was not born...