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Could care less whether the eu comes apart or stay together. but that's not the view of the mainstream who sees it as a bulwark of western unity. this election is just fascinating because macron has gone further than hillary clinton did in 2016 in essentially embracing the idea of global cooperation and kind of economic and political integration and kind of made this a starker choice where i think this is -- this, by the way, this does reflect the big choice facing democrats going forward. do you believe that a more populist and protectionist message a la bernie sanders can win back a lot of t...

Some people were concerned about. with german natural gas companies. have relationship with russia. goes through ukrainian territory. they continue to be allied with russia. therefore, create problems for western unity. and in fact what we see is there is movement from the european side as well. i don't think a republican president, or even john mccain. if he were president. would be able to do anything more than what obama is doing. there are foreign policy thorns in the garden. with the russians we are negotiating on syria. there are new reports out, not confirmed by nbc news, of, a gas atta...

Reverse flow of natural gas into ukraine. some people were concerned about. with german natural gas companies. have relationship with russia. goes through ukrainian territory. they continue to be allied with russia. therefore, create problems for western unity. and in fact what we see is there is movement from the european side as well. i don't think a republican president, or even john mccain. if he were president. would be able to do anything more than what obama is doing. there are foreign policy thorns in the garden. with the russians we are negotiating on syria. there are new reports out,...

Have energy dependency. western unity is anything but a reality and hard to make it a reality which is something in putin knows. this is not about ukraine. it's about the nature of international relations and how politics will play out and what is the ability for countries to use force to change maps with impunity and what is the character. if you remember, right after the cold war ended, when saddam hussein did that against kuwait you can't change the map and absorb this country into your own. now mr. putin has done something with crimea who knows what he is going to be doing with ukraine. th...

Absolutely essential that the west unite. >> that was former secretary of state madeleine albright. here on "morning joe" yesterday. joining us from hartford senator chris murphy. also with us nbc chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of "andrea mitchell reports" at noon time on msnbc, andrea mitchell. i'd like you to take it to the table and bounce off what secretary albright said because if this escalates, a lot of people have sort of some sort of understanding that this is a contained issue over there. what are the implications of a massive escalation in this crisis? >> secretary tal...