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Same time. he has to satisfy positions he took in a local race with his new national position. he has to do both on the same day in the same election. >> he was asked specifically about the rape issue. he said this. "his statements were outrageous, over the pale. i don't know anybody that would agree with that. rape is rape period. end of story." the fact of the matter is we are five days before the republican convention and having a discussion about rape and abortion. >> what's fascinating is the polite version of what akin was trying to say was forceable rain or so we assume. we don't have a...

>> sam stein, "he didn't tell me what to do." ryan seems to be saying he did tell him what to do. >> this is complex for paul ryan, much more so than mitt romney or other republicans, because obviously paul ryan co-sponsored the bill that codified what akin was talking about. and we keep talking about, you know, where he stands in this, and his whole premise is he didn't say anything inappropriate, he just said it in the wrong way. and for paul ryan, this is complex. this is complex stuff. he actually believes in sort of defining what type of abortion is, you know, appropriate and which one is...

>> let's listen to rush limbaugh's reaction to what akin said. even rush -- even rush has a problem with this. >> that belief that a woman's body shuts down and the whole notion of the legitimate, illegitimate rape, it's just -- that's the thing that bothers me about it. that's just absurd. it's not intelligent. >> krystal, when you can't get any kind of defense out of rush limbaugh, it's -- it doesn't get crazier than this. >> it's a bad sign for akin. but rush limbaugh and sean hannity and mitch mcconnell, all of these guys want to say, oh, this guy, he's out there. we don't agree with him o...

That have arisen around what akin has said and done to the republican brand, he could be toast. >> i agree. >> you think that's his moment to do that? >> yes. >> what about a moment to cast -- to flick it aside as part of the, you know, garbage that's being chewed upon repetitively and then to talk about the bigger issues that plague this country and rise above it. are we saying the same thing. >> i think you're saying the same thing. >> you know, i think that what we're seeing, this is the house is prepared to shut down the government rather than fund planned parenthood. it's the democrats jo...

Couching their position in these lofty terms about life and a culture of life, it's one thing. when you have very graphic images of women who have been raped being forced to carry that baby to, you know, to actually have that baby, against their will, that's a totally different image for the american public. so, yes, they want to distance themselves from his words, but they're not doing anything to distance themselves from his actual policies. >> and sam stein, what akin has served to do is to highlight a component of the republican anti-abortion stance that they do not like to highlight, espe...