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Jump in. what do you make, gibbs, of the president's statement in the past few days, given the verdict? >> well, i think -- >> it's an awkward position. >> it is in a sense because look, he is the president of the united states and anything he says or does, could be seen as coloring the justice department's review of this case and there's no doubt that he wants to give that process some space and i think he also wants to, as he did in the statement, appeal for some measure of calm in all this. but there's no doubt that this is -- look, i think what eugene writes is remarkably passionate person...

Have good, productive debate. but in the final analysis, you have to know who you're debating with and you don't want to debate with somebody who is spending more time debating within his or her own party. so that's a real big problem. let me say this about jim demint and the heritage foundation. i really do question whether or not jim demint and the heritage foundation make for a good fit. because i actually agree with what eugene just said. this has been a think tank where people develop policies and lay them out for people to run on. but when you start trying to sponsor people in primaries,...

I hope he continues because i believe in the two-party system. i do believe that we ought to have good, productive debate. but in the final analysis, you have to know who you're debating with and you don't want to debate with somebody who is spending more time debating within his or her own party. so that's a real big problem. let me say this about jim demint and the heritage foundation. i really do question whether or not jim demint and the heritage foundation make for a good fit. because i actually agree with what eugene just said. this has been a think tank where people develop policies and...

And so as republicans, marco rubio's talking about immigration and he's one of demint acolytes. other senators are going to start moving, i think, on some of these issues. and so rather than kind of be swamped by i don't know if you can call it a wave, but whatever the movement is in the senate, i think demint is going to a perch that he sees right now more powerful, more influential, where he can have more impact on the debate. and i would just add, you know, that i don't think either congressman clyburn or i is going to be named the interim senator by governor haley. i think we're both out o...

With and you don't want to debate with somebody who is spending more time debating within his or her own party. so that's a real big problem. let me say this about jim demint and the heritage foundation. i really do question whether or not jim demint and the heritage foundation make for a good fit. because i actually agree with what eugene just said. this has been a think tank where people develop policies and lay them out for people to run on. but when you start trying to sponsor people in primaries, like jim demint has done, i would hope that's not what's going it happen to the heritage foun...