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Rig. >> when you heard they were abandoning rig, what did you think? >> get there and help. go. >> that's what i thought. we started driving that way in the boat. i started going, and like mark was saying at that point, they started securing everything in the boat, getting the life jackets out that and, you know, i was like hey, guys. we've got to go do this. we have to go see what's going on here. and go lend a hand to do whatever we can, whatever we can at that point. and it's 18 miles away. you're 10:00 at night. it's pitch black dark. >> so you guys go full board toward it. what do you see...

Policy. let's see if there's any movement in the next couple of days. but there's no reason major aid organizes should have equipment sitting for weeks and be charged a storage fee and 20% tax. we were hit up for $1,000 for $5,000 of aid for a registered relief organization. anyway, we'll continue to follow this because it's infuriating. >> anderson, that's exactly the point. it's a very important point to make. even if there is a paperwork issue, people desperately need the help. there are huge fights going on behind us right now. people are frustrated, people are angry. they have no resource...

Pressure will go up, up, up. if that gauge goes from 7,000 to 3,000, something broke somewhere. and that's when they say, this is over, hook the hoses back up, we're going to suck all this oil back out, something is broken. don't want that obviously. they want it to get to a point, 7,000, 8,000 psi, pounds per square inch, pressure that you and i couldn't even imagine on ourselves. it would kill you. eventually, if it stays there long enough, then we would know that everything is good. all the integral parts of the blowout preventer, of the casing, the well that goes all the way down to the bo...

Skinnier, smaller and smaller, more fragile as it goes down. if that holds together, this well is capped. >> do we know a time line on when we'll know what we know? i mean, at what point -- i've heard 48 hours, i've heard less. what do you know? >> every six hour, they will begin to close a new valve, therefore bringing up the pressure inside. if you have all the holes open, like a perforated pipe, okay, just a bunch of holes in it. there's no pressure inside, really. they're going to start to plug every hole. there are, we believe, five to six holes, valves that they have to slowly screw down...

Numbers start to go down, that's bad. something is broken somewhere. >> pounds per square inch? >> pounds per square inch. when that gauge bes to go up, they want it to stay up. they want it to stay at five, six, seven, eight, as they continue to turn these valves closed, closed, closed, the pressure will go up, up, up. if that gauge goes from 7,000 to 3,000, something broke somewhere. and that's when they say, this is over, hook the hoses back up, something is broken. don't want that obviously. they want it to get to a point, 7,000, 8,000 psi, pounds per square inch, and that would event even...