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Rather this is referring to what george papadopoulos that former trump foreign policy advisor had told the australian ambassador over drinks in a london bar that russia, that the trump campaign, that papadopoulos was aware that russia had dirt on hillary clinton and australian ambassador, another intelligence partner of the u.s. was so concerned he then reported that to the fbi. so you get a very different account of how this dossier came to be and the motivations of the man behind the dossier, christopher steele than you've heard from the president and other republicans. >> and the time line ...

Here. >> and as i was talking to jim about the time line. it is said current american officials and foreign officials with direct knowledge, the foreign inquiry did not start with mr. steele's dossier, early parts which did not reach counter intelligence investigators and the fbi until august. that was after the bureau's inquiry had already begun. so this wasn't the genesis as republicans have said, into the investigation, correct? >> that's right. that's right. >> jim, one other thing. during glen simpson's testimony, one of the attorneys for simpson said a person had died because of the publ...

Are liablest, if that's what he thinks, then he can sue the authors of the report. but i think buzzfeed as a news organization is pretty well insulated from that sort of lawsuit. but it is the type of luster we have seen in the administration with the threatening of lawsuits or lawsuits that don't actually go anywhere as a means of expressing conversation, which is obviously problematic. can i add one thing, though, don, about this? fusion gps testimony which struck me is that in the dossier one of the theories that underlie how did the collusion theory come to arise was between the trump busi...

Partner. so he according to simpson of his own volition, not under the direction or encouragement of the dnc or democrats, but of his own volition goes to the fbi to report this in july 2016. and two months later in september of 2016 he sits down with the fbi attache in rome and tells them this information. what's interesting is the fbi doesn't tell him, don, you're crazy. according to simpson the fbi told him we have other testimony. they believe that chris's information might be credible because they had other intelligence that might indicate the same thing. and one of those pieces of intell...

Other witnesses information about what simpson has testified to which might affect their own version of events. what do you think about those concerns? >> well, i know one of the concerns that he expressed was that others would be chilled from testifying. i don't think that's true because here you had glen simpson calling for his own transcript to be released. if you have a witness who doesn't want that to take place, that's quite a different circumstance. there are from time to time good investigative reasons to do things in closed session and not to release the transcripts so people don't li...