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Have known that. therefore the sudden pr change that roger goodell went through, on the theory that he was surprised by what he learned later on, was bogus. whatever else happens here, the credibility of the national football league, which is a major cultural and financial institution in this country, and its leader, roger goodell, is under serious assault. matter of fact, there's no credibility left. >> janay has broken her silence. here's what she told nbc's matt lauer about commissioner goodell. here she is. >> when the commissioner of the nfl says ray was ambiguous and the nfl says that it...

>> i read the arbitrator's report. she's a former federal judge. and in no uncertain terms, she makes it clear that she didn't believe roger goodell's account. everything that she looked at indicated that goodell and the other nfl officials knew full well what happened in that elevator -- >> that she was slugged? >> that she was hit and she was knocked unconscious, that they knew that. there's no way they could not have known that. therefore the sudden pr change that roger goodell went through, on the theory that he was surprised by what he learned later on, was bogus. whatever else happens he...

For what purpose, that certainy is up for grabs at this point. >> and beyond just taking it's the yoke and turning it to the left, someone was punching in coordinates. let's bring in the rest of our panel, jim tilmon, david soucie, spider marks. we're going to get into the simulator and into his -- in the pilot's house. but this "all right, good night," i saw some questions today. we actually got one from a veteran pilot, also an american pilot, who says that's not how pilots talk to each other, that he would have to usually say roger and put the call sign in there somewhere. jim, what do you ...

Individual or group of people or whatever else to take this airplane full of these passengers and go flying around the skies. and if they did in fact threaten some kind of property on the ground, who would make the decision about what they're going to do about it? you've got all of these nations involved. you've got 75 different people on there other than a large group of chinese on there. >> 25 nations. >> all right. somebody said, well, we've got to shoot it down, we can't let it fly into the whatever, what kind of a diplomatic mess would that be around the world. >> jim, you are taking us l...

That really are looking for some kind of answer to what happened. >> what would cause pilots to turn the way they turned? would it have been an atmospheric problem? something in the air? would it have been some sort of mechanical failure? what do you think would cause a plane to veer that way? >> well, none of those things that you mentioned would be things that would also eliminate the possibility of getting off a distress call. no matter what. all of those things are -- are possibilities. they're scenarios, whatever else. but, you know, you're trained to make sure that you maintain some kind...