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That elected purchases talk about impeachment more than incumbent democrats. democrat leadership realizes that that is a dangerous game to play. now, the activist class and folks running out from the outside do want to gin up their best by talking about it. i agree, they are setting themselves up for disappointment. ultimately the question of impeachment needs to be based on whatever mueller comes up with, but no one should go into it with a redone conclusion. >> all right. here is the president. >> -- it wasn't him, but would have been the same thing if the democrats got in with their agenda ...

Would force him into the subpoena. even if he subpoenaed him, he might show up and might still try not to answer questions. the subpoena is really a way of forcing him to come on into speak with them and possibly to testify. and i still think mueller will be reluctant to do that. and giuliani want to the try to spin that as they have somehow goaded mueller into agreeing to questions. but i think most of that is posturing for his client, giuliani is posturing to keep the president happy. mueller just has to make a decision whether he feels that he can complete the investigation without getting ...

Look, i think most people have made up their mind where they are on donald trump and how they feel about him. so i'm not sure how much these memos change that or whatever. at the end of the day, these are memos that bob mueller has. these are the basis for his obstruction investigation. he has already interviewed comey. he has gone through with them. and it will be mueller's findings, whatever mueller sees in it that is the true outcome. we give so much time to the public view of this, and obviously, that's important. but at the end of the day, it sits on bob mueller's desk. >> is there an att...

Did that mean every time? we don't know. >> neil: where does this go? you touched on the idea what brought it to this stage that jared kushner doesn't have the clearance and a dozen more don't have it yet. what would cause a delay like that? i hear paperwork, the continuing investigations, whatever mueller is up to. i don't get a consistent read. do you? >> no. it's hard to know. sometimes there's issues that we heard with the previous administration with company. at this point, it's kind of an ugly black eye as elisa said. it's a bad day for the white house. it's not great when someone looses...

Motivated prosecutor who is allied with the right wing of opponents of my husband who has literally spent four years looking at every phone bill -- looking at every telephe call we've made, every check with ever written. >> this is a president who, on many issues, is basically beyond shame at this point. so any sense of fairness or thoroughness for the sake of the investigation, i think, is questionable from the white house. >> he is trying to distract attention from the russian investigation and to discredit whatever mueller says in the end. >> laura: ha! i love that. let's go to the man who ...