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Campaign, but there's an appearance of conflict so we think you should step aside, and he says, nah. >> i don't think so. both attorney generals, mr. whitaker and mr. barr, they were chosen by the president not in spite of their conflict of interest, but because of their conflict of interest. the only reason donald trump is aware mr. whitaker exists is because he was on cnn criticizing mueller. he's an undistinguished attorney. mr. barr, a very different story. a very distinguished attorney. the only reason he is attorney general is because he criticized mueller. he is a perfect example of why...

Intriguing one, whether mueller played manafort or whether manafort played mueller. mueller got a lot of information, manafort stopped that second trial from occurring, pled to 10 counts. he would have been convicted of more than that, cooperated so he can argue that to the judge and still is making a play for a pardon. >> bret: that's real question and the president has said that it's still on the table about a pardon manafort speak of which the president as woe mentioned earlier putting out that tweet saying it's totally clear the president, thank you, splamtion point. for reaction and i gue...

Bad for somebody. where the speculation comes in is trying to read redactions. >> looking at it as a nonlawyer, which i often like to remind everybody. i look at it common sense wise. you've got one guy, his lawyer fixer. every time he got in trouble with a woman or a scandal, he calls up michael cohen. he's the guy he calls in the middle of the night. then the general who is going to be head of national security for him. it seems to between the two of them, the guy the hotel and the miss america or miss universe, all that stuff and the other guy who handles the big picture, the macro stuff. y...

Something about why michael l flynn lied about conversations with russian ambassador sergey kislyak ostensibly about the lifting of sanctions? >> we very well might. i think what we'll see from this agreement is obviously we'll see kind of a description of the significance of this cooperation. the extent of its cooperation. we'll see some description of the crimes. i think the question of how much detail we'll see about the involvement of others. whether mueller makes that public in this report or whether he holds it off for a future indictment or a future guilty plea or holds it off because i...

To trump and two connected to campaign finance laws, for lying to congress about trump tower moscow plans. what's your reaction here? >> obviously cohen doesn't want to go to prison. we will see how the judge feels in that case. whether mueller weighs in with something else. the president in his tweets is sending a clear signal. if you give any information about me, i'm going to hang you out to dry. he wants to see cohen go away for a long time versus roger stone. he has not been questioned by investigator investigators. you will be rewarded if you don't cooperate. >> with? >> potentially a pa...