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Surprisingly, what costello was saying that this was about michael cohen thinking that the president was mad at him and that he wanted to make sure things were going to be okay, and so rudy says that he called costello to reassure him that the president was not mad and it wasn't long after the raid and he said, rudy told dana bash that he said the president felt bad for him. no longer. >> all right. cnn legal analyst carrie cordero is with us. what do you make of this when you see this? do you buy that this was just michael cohen making sure the president wasn't mad at him or do you see that t...

Of what's being said in this e-mail and the other e-mail depends on who you ask. >> and how is costello explaining? what is he saying these were all about? >> well, well, costello says that what this was is an effort to kind of keep the relationship between michael cohen and donald trump on track. he claims that michael cohen may have been worried about whether the president liked him or not and vice versa. and cohen sympathizers say that is not true, that what this is evidence of is dangling a pardon. and that that's what this was about and then when i spoke with costello, costello said, you ...

Fixer. cnn's gloria borger has the exclusive reporting here. also back with us are caroline polisi and jennifer rogers. gloria, tell us more about these e-mails. >> we have obtained two e-mails that have been given to congressional committees and they contain communications that were done in april of 2018. and remember, that is after michael cohen's office was raided by the feds. and they're between michael cohen and an attorney named bob costello, who has a long-standing close relationship with rudy giuliani. they focus mainly on cohen's relationship with the white house at that particular ti...

Communication and asked me to keep in touch. again, costello says this was all part of this effort to rebuild this relationship between cohen and the president. now remember, at this time they were part of a joint defense agreement. so there was an interest in keeping happiness in the family, but a source with the knowledge of cohen's thinking differs and said that this outreach was just a ploy to keep michael cohen in the tent, in the fold and to keep saying what he was saying to protect the president, and remember, it wasn't until june of 2018. these e-mails were in april. so it wasn't until...

He said that what he was doing was trying to smooth out a troubled relationship between the president and michael cohen and vice versa. so the question is was it about a pardon or was it about fixing this relationship which he says michael cohen was very worried about. >> you have friends in high places is the thing that catches me up and doesn't quite sit with that narrative there. >> yes. >> nonetheless, so this isn't the only e-mail. there are others and there was ongoing communication between costello and cohen. >> we don't know what cohen's responses were, if any, to these e-mails. i shou...