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Realize that he's been under indictment for about a year now. >> mm-hmm. >> which means that for months after he was indicted as part of a $65 million money laundering scheme, even as he was engaging in other witness tampering involving, again, konstantin kilimnik, which jack rightly points out is an incredibly odd but very consistent pattern of lies stemming from paul manafort through this entire enterprise, that he is still engaging in conversations with the administration. that's surprising, and i think if i was someone in the administration and paul manafort was calling me, i'd be hanging ...

Indictment for about a year now. >> mm-hmm. >> which means that for months after he was indicted as part of a $65 million money laundering scheme, even as he was engaging in other witness tampering involving, again, konstantin kilimnik, which jack rightly points out is an incredibly odd but very consistent pattern of lies stemming from paul manafort through this entire enterprise, that he is still engaging in conversations with the administration. that's surprising, and i think if i was someone in the administration and paul manafort was calling me, i'd be hanging up on him pretty quickly. so ...