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But go ahead. what is that turns those guys off to obama? is it race, is it ethnicity? is it background? what is it, mostly? >> you know, i don't think we entirely know. i don't think, you know, it's not far fetched to think race is part of it, but part of it's also what's happening to the economy. working class men feeling more dispensable and vulnerable. feeling like the world's not theirs anymore. and part of it's the style of this president, much commented upon that he can seem a little academic or a little aloof at times. and you know, that probably doesn't help either, but, look, you kno...

Care about the future not who is responsible for the past. both romney, and here is romney's booster, walker who won saying you have to talk the future, not complain about the past. >> yeah, you have to talk about how people are going to get jobs. of course one of the ironies here is the president tried to get another jobs bill through and the congress refused to do it and that resulted in cut backs in state and local spending results in the pressure of the public employees, so they're coming at the president from all directions at once on this and they're going to try to make it difficult for...

Let me finish tonight with this. men, males, guys, whatever, what's you guy's problem with president obama? i think it would be interesting to know the answer. well, 60% of women in wisconsin said they'd vote for obama in november, compared to just 45% of men. we can imagine why women are pro-obama. he's put the focus on health care, he's been supportive of women's rights of equal pay and other concerns when the republican party's become suspect on these issues, or forthrightly hostile. now about the men. if you look at obama's foreign policy record, he's been surprisingly tough out there. he'...

Anybody? >> right now when you look at the al-qaeda affiliates in places like yemen and somali, those are cause for concern as we have seen. that's why getting this guy was essential. al libi was aey affiliate, and taking him out was essential. and we took him out in a place where, under the bush administration and those clips in 2008 that you just showed, we essentially had a situation that those areas were seated in triable deals at the time. we had a very passive approach, and what we had under obama is a very aggressive approach to go after the al-qaeda core. i would say it's the terrorist...

To their country at this point. we need to have a serious conversation right now. >> joan, if this guy romney with limited abilities was about to convince the country he is a regular guy at looking out for regular people which he has never done, that will be one of the great jokes in history. >> well, i think and that is partly what bothered me about pc defend, taking bain capital off the table. it's not that he is a bad man. president obama put it much better, he said his economic experience gives him, you know the background to be a good president and grow the economy, absolutely not that di...