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It's basically your word against whoever else, and if there ain't nobody there, you can't cross examine nobody, so there's no case. >> am i going to see you again? >> no. >> right. >> going to hand to me like that >> no. >> i'm going see you again, but i'm going to see you at walmart. >> walmart? >> yeah, all right. >> take it easy. >> see you, draper. >> yeah. >> even if he gets out, i'll see him again. a lot of these guys, i don't mean anything negative about it, but this is what they know. they come to jail, they get out, come to jail, they get out. very rarely will they do something the ri...

It's basically your word against whoever else, and if there ain't nobody there, you can't cross examine nobody, so there's no case. >> am i going to see you again? >> no. >> right. >> going to hand to me like that is this. >> no. >> i'm going see you again, but i'm going to see you at walmart. >> walmart? >> yeah, all right. >> take it easy. >> see you, draper. >> yeah. >> even if he gets out, i'll see him again. a lot of these guy, i don't mean anything negative about it, but this is what they know. they come to jail, they get out, come to jail, they get out. very rarely will they do somethin...

If you don't have the star witnesses, then you don't have nothing. it's basically your word against whoever else, and if there ain't nobody there, you can't cross examine nobody, so there's no case. >> am i going to see you again? >> no. >> right. >> going to hand to me like that is this. >> no. >> i'm going see you again, but i'm going to see you at walmart. >> walmart? >> yeah, all right. >> take it easy. >> see you, draper. >> yeah. >> even if he gets out, i'll see him again. a lot of these guy, i don't mean anything negative about it, but this is what they know. they come to jail, they get...

He's back -- he left ad seg and went to a dorm, apparently, and got in trouble in a dorm and now he's back in disciplinary, and it's just a revolving cycle for draper. >> can't deal with all the people in there. i like the peace. >> uh huh. it's jail, man, come on. there's always somebody. >> huh? >> there's always somebody. all right, well, good luck to you. are you going back to court soon? >> yeah. >> are you getting out this time? >> i hope so. >> uh huh, right. >> draper has been working on his case most of the time he's been at louisville metro, and he's feeling pretty good about his cha...

This. even as a child, he confessed to his crimes. let's listen to her for a second. >> no he always told on himself all the time when he was a kid. i wasn't really surprised that he did it. i still say to this day, if that woman didn't and whoever else was involved, didn't give him that stuff, those guys would have never broke out of jail. they wouldn't have had nothing to do it with. i blame them as well as the two guys. >> always interesting to hear from a prisoner's mother to see if there's a way to retrace the steps of what they became. what she's saying is she's not using personal respon...